But in reality, the concept of a pistol caliber that can reliably stop a bad guy with one shot is not possible under normal conditions. This is because the original .45 Colt was a black powder round, and there are a lot of very old guns still capable of shooting that round. Glock pistols are conditionally approved to fire +P ammunition that is within SAAMI guidelines for the caliber. When it comes to ammunition for defense purposes, one of the most constant recommendations is to use +P ammo.There is some discussion about whether plus P ammo is necessary or advisable to use in some firearms, which may give some people pause about whether use is prudent. You can shoot +P in any XD or XDm pistol. When discussing defensive handguns, a lot is said about calibers that are one-shot stoppers. You must know if it can handle +P ammo before you use +P ammo in it. Pretty much any new.45 will be +p rated. Yes, you can often load a .380ACP cartridge into a firearm chambered for 9x19 Luger and fire it without the gun exploding. Classic Gun Question: What put the 'plus' in the .38 Special +P (and will it hurt my gun). Any quality hp will do what you want it to. Issue is not likely to be an explosive scattering of pieces parts of the handgun- it will be sharply accelerated wear and tear on the gun. hand cannons are not needed for SD, nor are RPGs. Assuming the bullets are the same, +P ammunition appears identical to a ânormalâ cartridge on the outside and will load into any similarly chambered firearm. The real problem though that I see is that with so many revolvers and pocket pistols out there chambered in .38 special, the market has become far too large for shooters to keep track of. Many are just plain confused as to the construction of the gun versus the power of the round and accordingly, stick with the standard velocity stuff because they are worried their gun will suddenly turn into a hand grenade if they load the more powerful +P rounds. Expansion of the bullet helps, but there must be reliable penetration to get to those vital areas. .22LR Ammo; Out of all types of ammunition mentioned in this article, the .22LR ammo is the most commercially available. All Rights Reserved. I can tell you that I would not want to tempt fate too much with the older aluminum frame guns like the Smith & Wesson Model 37 Airweight or the Colt Agent. For comparison, the SAAMI limit for the .357 Magnum (based on a .38 Special case lengthened by 0.135" to prevent chambering in .38 revolvers) is 35,000 psi. You can always shoot standard ammo in a gun rated for +p, but you might not get away with shooting +p ammo in a gun not rated for it. This is a significant, but not dramatic, improvement. Learn how your comment data is processed. It can also be shot in Winchester and Marlin 1894 rifles. This article also appeared in the January 1, 2015 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. the designers). At the end of the day itâs your gun and your choice but I think it would be prudent to do what the manufacturer says (I wonât say different). While a single shot to the brain has instant stopping capability, shots to the head in defensive situations are rarely the best choice. JSP will work in anything as long as it's the correct loading for the gun. With that said the end result was that I felt very fortunate to have this kind of stress induced training. Please try again. While simply changing the name of the round worked, the ammunition manufacturers needed a designation to indicate ammunition made for modern firearms engineered to handle higher pressure, hence the development of +P and +P+ ammunition. Per my armorer, both pistols will run this Euro-spec ammo for 5,000 rounds before a refit is recommended. The modern guns chambered for the.45 Colt round are almost identical to guns chambered for.44 Magnum and are capable of much higher pressures without distress. I ⦠As a gun owner and enthusiast, Iâve always been curious about which guns can shoot which kinds of ammunition. Mine have ⦠I recently had the good fortune to receive a new ammunition line from CCI called Clean-22. Honestly, if you intend to shoot that much heavy ammo, you might ought to look into getting ⦠I almost feel your comment was a dig to professional police officers everywhere and should have been left out. Any .357 magnum and .38 special ammo will work in both revolvers and rifles. This is perhaps true with civilians but not with law enforcement. Arguably, the first +P round was .38 Super. 9mm Ammo Shoot whatever 9x19 ammo you like. +P is good to go in a Glock. Velocity increase is modest, however. I am one of the unfortunate officers who had to use lethal force while on duty so I know this first hand. The .38 Special +P has been around now for nearly forty years and that little +P has caused more inquiries than one would guess. +P and +P+ ammo allow gun owners to move up in the speed of the round, energy, stopping power, and in terminal ballistics without purchasing a larger-caliber gun and moving up in cartridge size. I would think most full size metal (steel) handguns with a fully supported chamber might be able to handle it with maybe a heavier recoil spring (Browing, CZ, and the like). Get the 74th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. Itâs up to the user to research the ammo of their choice to see if ⦠⢠115 grain factory ammo ⢠147 gr PMC is ok to use. The problem was that if this round ended up in anything other than the big N-frame Smith & Wesson revolver the vibrations would end up knocking the rounds off kilter (sometimes called knocking them âlooseâ), resulting in malfunctions. As far as ammo, in my 1:9 twist, I prefer 62 gr ammo. Usually, the cheapest roundsâ¦but some guns donât like them. The stress involves moving, moving targets, exiting patrol cars, siren, low light, sound and other sight distraction and sim rounds being shot their way. +P itself is a fairly new innovation, so while many older handguns could handle it, they wonât be rated to it because the standard didnât exist when they were made. My argument is that most police officers are on the job for 20-30 years. Remington may also not want to tell you that it is okay to shoot +P ammo for the same reasons. I have a Derringer five-shot revolver that uses .22 rounds. Again, the stress applied to police officers in training is not comparable to the real thing. Handgun calibers rely on penetration and the size of the wound channel. Lawyers and law suits. In some cases it is worth it, such as when a little more velocity is needed to ensure reliable bullet expansion. Even my Kel Tec PF-9 is approved for limited +P usage. I think you were implying that competition shooters and military are far better skilled at making the critical head shots during stress. For defensive situations, more power is better, provided you can handle it. For decades the most common bullet that you could find in the .38 Special was the old 158-grain lead round nose, which proved lackluster in the ways of personal defense. Disclosure: Some of these links are affiliate links. Short Barrel Ammo Why You Need it in a Subcompact Handgun Sam Hoober. This is not the case with rounds like .380 ACP, .45 Colt or .38 Special. Generally, the +P restriction is seen in compact guns or low quality firearms. It’s an identical case to the old .38 Auto, but .38 Super is loaded to about 36,000 psi compared to .38 Auto at about 26,000 psi. ⢠+P is ok Most law enforcement officers and civilians simply don’t have the capability to make such shots reliably under the obvious stress of a life-threatening situation. This problem went on for nearly forty years until there was a decision made to remove the .38-44 rounds from production. Luckily, that was also the same year makers rolled out that the .38 Special +P, which effectively stepped in to solve the problems the .38 Special faced, balancing power and recoil. Gun Review: Going the Distance with the Kimber Rapide Black Ice 10mm. Be sure to check the stamp on the bottom of the casing to identify ammo marked as +P. (Assuming your gun can handle +P ammo; more on gun specs below.) I know many people who do shoot even hotter rounds through their smaller guns, but the key to some level seems to be never a steady diet of them. This was set up by the Sig sales rep who sold the Sheriff the 226s. I've followed, essentially, the same course ever since. Guns designed as such will have the +P designation indicated with the caliber. How a 80's Colt King Cobra Changed My Mind on Revolvers. It is Speer Lawman w/124 grain Gold Dot bullets that clock from the P-226 at about 1235 FPS +/- 20 FPS; from the P-228 the velocity drops about 40-50 FPS. Of course you can shoot just about any 9mm Load in a RUGER BLACKHAWK.357 Convertible's 9mm cylinder. Police officers are trained very well, And I would further argue that they may be trained better than most military, excluding special forces of course. I suggest you avoid the forums and Internet articles (accept this one of course!) It would be an easier list to list the modern guns not rated for +p like diamondback and kimber solo. If you plan on shooting a steady diet of it, plan on servicing your pistol sooner. This new load is designed ONLY for certain firearms. Get the latest news and reviews from Gundigest.com. Our ammo of choice is labeled as "+P", whatever that is. No handgun ammunition for practical defense applications is capable of producing hydrostatic shock, which disrupts tissue far beyond the wound channel. Dick Jones is a freelance outdoor writer and author whose interest in guns and shooting has encompassed his lifetime. to beat up a quality gun but springs need to be changed to run right. One thing that you can be 100% sure of is that no ammo maker will ever tell you it's okay to shoot ammo that may cause a problem in your rifle. Caribou Media Group may earn a commission from qualifying purchases. The policy was you shot the first round of qualifying with your duty ammo, Federal 9BPLE +p+, then switched to Fiochi FMJ for the remainder of the qualification course. sub gun ammo (like the uzi/imi black tip) is hotter and usually not for handgun use. Although +P and +P+ ammunition will not damage your âXDâ , a steady diet of this higher power ammo may decrease the service life of the barrel and/or firearm. It has no problems shooting +P or even +P+ ammo. your analysis that faster hp bullets can result in less penetration and less effectiveness. The SAAMI spec for.45 AP is 21000 psi. The gun was designed to shoot a certain way. There has been an error with your Email Subscription. Essentially, if you have a gun that takes 9mm ammo, you can increase your velocity and power with 9mm +P cartridges without purchasing a new firearm. Will my gun blow up? If for some reason you cannot do that, contact a reputable gunsmith. Stay in the know. It will accelerate wear slightly though. None of this ammunition provided bullet expansion. Is it really as hot as advertised and how does it compare to the .38 Special of old? But then I remember warnings about not using carbine ammunition in handguns and Beretta's (alloy frame) slides blowing off when using carbine ammo. That said, if you are not sure of what your handgun can take, then I advise you to call the people that made the gun in the first place. Contacting gun makers is much easier than you think; usually contact forms listed on a companyâs website are answered expediently and thoroughly (and not just for outfits like Guns.com but any and all customers). The spec for +p is 23,000 psi - not even 10% higher. The longer case precluded their use in older guns that couldn’t handle the higher pressures. In the past few years, many gun owners took the availability of cheap, effective, and reliable 9mm Luger ammo for granted. I have been carrying a Kimber M1911 concealed for about 25 years. As you can see, .38 +P ammo is loaded to about 17% higher pressure than standard loads. Remington Thunderbolt. excellent !! Blackpowder Shooting & Accessories Elk Hunting Gear & Tips: Preparing for the Hunt Elk hunting can be a true challenge that tests you physically and mentally, but the reward of harvesting one of the countryâs most majestic game animals â along with its delicious meat â makes it all worthwhile. Get Guns.com offers and news, Need [email protected] (866)582-4867, PO Box 1131 13800 Nicollet Blvd Burnsville, MN 55337 ©2019 Guns.com. as usual, direct, to-the-point and clear. Ammunition is made to certain specifications, size and pressure. Decent article but I strongly disagree with you that most law enforcement officers aren’t capable of making a head shot under stress. If you use +P ammo, you do so at your own risk. No problems with the Canadian made Hi-Powers. 9mm Models: ⢠Any SAAMI spec 9mm ammunition. Iâve always heard great things about old Colt revolvers, and letâs just say this gun made me think twice about my stance on revolvers. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. FWIW, there is a SAAMI standard for what IS +p ammo (only in .38 Special and 9mm Parabellum. American made 9mm Luger didn't always function these guns. My HK USP-SD has a "tactical" recoil spring designed to handle additional pressure from shooting suppressed. The amount of pressure change isn’t a standard percentage, but rather it’s based on the individual caliber and the design of the firearms available. Plus-P ammunition can raise the performance bar for your handgun, but a tradeoff is more recoil and muzzle blast. I don't like +P ammo myself. For instance, the pressure increase for .38 Special and 9mm Luger is only about 10 percent, but the pressure increase for .45 Colt is almost double the pressure of standard ammunition. These rounds have been around for a century or more, and many of the guns chambered for them simply couldn’t handle a sizable increase in pressure. Well, I canât say what the cartridge will do to your gun, but as with anything in life there are always risks and a wise man would heed the advice of those closest to it (i.e. Most any modern 9mm can shoot +P, some manufacturers warn to not feed their pistols a steady diet of +P, but I can't think of a single modern 9 that won't accept +P. Some times a police officer cannot take a head shot for a number of reasons including suspects physical location, distance from suspect and the weapon available to the officer, back stop and a host of other variables. I would take a professional police officer to a gun battle over a competition or target shooter any day as they can work under the stress of a gunfight. (Photo: Chris Eger/Guns.com) He’s also a shooting instructor and runs Lewis Creek Shooting School in High Point, N.C. Somewhere on the firearm will say what it can safely shoot. If you are using a full size and/or quality pistol you should be fine shooting +P. re 380 ammo. Whether by design or coincidence, the .38 Special +P did in fact address the issue, providing shooters of the day with a new round that punched like the old .38-44 rounds but also wouldnât damage their expensive handguns. Today, the argument can be made that the .38 Special +P is the definitive .38 round. But back to the original question: what about using .38 Special +Ps in guns ânot ratedâ for it? A recent study of incapacitation data by the FBI Training Division states: “Shots to the central nervous system [CNS] at the level of the cervical spine [neck] or above are the only means to reliably cause immediate incapacitation. Whether by design or coincidence, the.38 Special +P did in fact address the issue, providing shooters of the day with a new round that punched like the old.38-44 rounds ⦠All About Plus P Ammo and Using It. +P is most often used for self-defense purposes. ALL .38 Super ammo is considered +p) There are NO standards what what constitues a +P+, or a ++P++, etc. Remember, however, that if you face a life-threatening situation, you’re not likely to feel the recoil, just like hunters don’t notice the recoil when taking game. The modern guns chambered for the .45 Colt round are almost identical to guns chambered for .44 Magnum and are capable of much higher pressures without distress. Just because a firearm is of newer manufacture doesn’t mean it’s capable of handling +P ammunition. If youâre not sure, contact the manufacturer of the firearm and ask them. Can it be shot? Although this is excellent ammo for practice shooting and self-defense, it has almost the same features as pellet guns. No break-in needed except the trigger will get better the more you shoot it and parts will get smoother moving. Other than shots to the CNS, the most reliable means for affecting rapid incapacitation is by placing shots to large vital organs, thus causing rapid blood loss.”. any WW 2 surplus handgun should probably not be shot with +p. This is why .357 and .44 Magnum rounds are just slightly longer than their non-magnum counterparts. Lawmen found in the early days that the old 158 grain lead bullet failed to penetrate just about anything with authority so out came the .38-44 which took the .38 Special to new heights (and speeds clocking in around 1,100 fpsâquite the feat for the 1930s). They are as follows; Ruger Red Hawk, Ruger Super Red Hawk (the Ruger Alaskan is a short barrel Super Redhawk), Ruger Super Blackhawk or Vaquero, Freedom Arms Model 83, Taurus Raging Bull All Steel Versions (no lightweight alloys), Colt Anaconda, Magnum Research BFR and Dan Wesson Revolvers. Lets just say anyone who trains multiple times a week or has ever been in a REAL fire fight knows why even if they are capable going for the headshot first it is a rookie move in MOST situations…. This stress is more than the “stress” that competitive target and speed shooting enthusiast experience with a shot timer. It will take a lot of rds. Handgun Review: Diamondback FS Nine Full-Size, Reloading Ammo: An Abbreviated Look at Reloading Short Magnums, Reloading Ammo: Ponderations on Progressive Presses, January 1, 2015 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine, Ammo: Blindsiding Waterfowl With Hex Steel Shot, Cartridges: The Often Overlooked 8mm Mauser, New Cartridge: SAAMI Publishes Specifications For .224 Valkyrie. I'd say any gun made after 1970 is a pretty safe bet. In this case, any of the calibers commonly used in law enforcement, regardless of expansion, would suffice for obvious reasons. I'm not choosy with ammo. Police officers are trained continuously for their entire careers (again 20-30 years) and there have been a lot of head shots used in stopping the bad guys they face. Most infantry soldiers aren’t in that role but for a handful of years. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. 0 The BB.45 Colt ammo should only be shot in Ruger, Colt Anaconda, and Freedom Arms pistols. I want the gun to run as it was built to and that isn't with +P ammo. He’s a Distinguished Rifleman, and former High Master, who captained and coached a High Power rifle team on a national level, winning six Dogs of War medals. The offering is another quality product from CCI, who already create some of the best .22 LR ammo around. But there are some pretty important caveats and drawbacks to consider. In all of those years lies a lot of range time, both on and off-duty. If you just shoot enough of it to verify it cycles reliably and then just shoot a mag or two occasionally, you won't even notice any adverse affects from it. Yes, you could also try to find things out on ât3h int3rw3bzâ, but that can be a crap-shoot; know your source. Hardcast is a different critter, though. The energy produced by ammunition is what provides penetration and expansion. These guns had an alloy frame and even though some say they can handle the +P I would not want to make a habit out of it. Just because a firearm is of newer manufacture doesnât mean itâs capable of handling +P ammunition. So what about the .38 Special +P? His interests in shooting span from classic double shotguns to AR-15s, sniper rifles and competitive pistol shooting. The .38 Special is now a bona fide centurion (and then some) but back in 1974, it got a well needed kick in the pants when SAAMI gave a +P rating to any load over 17,000 PSI but under 20,000 PSI. and get the scoop on whether your gun can take the round straight from horses mouth. Chances are youâll sleep easier. The advantages of +P are obvious, but they do come with the disadvantage of more recoil and muzzle blast. Until the 1970s, most ammunition for defensive use was the same ammunition used for target practice, training and military use. Autos of any kind can mess up and usually at the wrong time. That wouldn't stop me from buying 55gr when on sale, but I sight in with 62. Identifying +P Ammo Modern ammo cartridges can look very similar. We spent six months and turned the corner of the recommend break-in round count on the striking Kimber Rapide Black Ice in 10mm Auto and have some things to report. The more energy, the better the chance the projectile will penetrate and/or expand. Thank you! I also have a Remington 522 Viper. Before I had either, I assumed every type of gun ⦠Guns designed as such will have the +P designation indicated with the caliber. A majority of law enforcement officers these days are trained under stress, as much stress that could be produced at a sterile range environment. Normal training can be done with standard ammunition, but +P defensive ammunition will give you a better chance if you find yourself in the unfortunate situation of having to use your gun to defend your life. While some people may have opinions on why the M1911 isnât an ideal carry choice, Iâm going to explain why this is the best option for me.Â, CCI Clean Offers a Mess Free Solution in .22 LR. The object of defensive ammunition is to stop the threat, and in most cases that means wielding a lethal blow to the assailant. In modern calibers like .357 SIG or .38 Super, all firearms available are of sufficiently recent manufacture to assure they can handle the pressures of modern defensive ammunition. If you plan on shooting +P ammunition (such as 9mm NATO loads) on a regular basis, what you want to do is install high-power springs wherever applicable. Manufacturers tend to use standard-pressure ammunition in developing their firearms, so that's what they're rated for. rds95991, Nov 25, 2017 I carry the 9PBLE and practice with White Box. As a result, ammunition for defense should be capable of penetrating sufficiently to access vital organs and generate massive blood loss. It is important to ensure that it will run reliably in your âXDâ. Decent comment but I strongly disagree with you that most officers are out there comfortably trying to go for the 1 tap.. Go watch 10 thousand police shooting videos.. You wiil find a few where high level swat officers going for headshot first but aside from the million reasons that headshots are not as viable someone like you who sounds like they know a decent amount should understand why headshots are not the first choice in more then 90 percent of police situations.. Now that’s just the normal reason they don’t but even police officers who train everyday do not encounter nearly enough situations where they discharge there weapon when they are faced with death to be comfortable going for the headshot first.. Its like mike tyson always said… Everyone always has a plan until they get punched in the face… Now there are plenty out there who have the ability to make the shot but to say that most cops could pull off a headshot while being shot at from even 15 yards is bullshit… Now im not gonna go into all the other reasons even though there are many.. 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